Pretty plz help?
Jul. 28th, 2008 08:30 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
tsukinofaerii5,000 words in! \o/ I managed to write this weekend. And it's not kittens. (facefault) But maybe this will get me rolling on that again. The Rikus are surprisingly similar. Sans pointy ends, at least. Or maybe not so much sans pointy ends. Riku is so weird.
I... have a problem. Two, really. (scratches her head) Yes, it's utterly senseless, but here I am.
I need dragon names. o.o; But at the same time, I don't want to give away all the riders. Some of the riders are obvious (wave to S'ora guys), but I'm deluding myself into thinking that a few will be surprises. Also, I'd like a full selection of people on the Hatching grounds—if I don't use them, they can always populate other Weyrs and Holds. They might only be names dropped in passing, but that's the way you create a world. (Someone has to die in Threadfall.) Anyone currently on the Hatching grounds needs to be 12-13 for the boys and 15-16 for the girls, or age-able that way with their contemporaries. There's only one queen egg and I already know who's going to get her, but I need some female riders (Weyrwoman, Queens Wing, etc). It needs to go by normal Pern rules—dragon names end in "th"—and I'd prefer for them to have a vague relation to their rider. There's a lot of leeway, of course.
I also need some older riders (adults) and some mid-ranged teens (14-16) at least one of which will die if there's a sequel, all boys. (Yes, Weyrs are sexist, I know, but unless I jump back to Second Pass or forwards to Ninth it's just going to have to stay that way. I'm not bending history people.) Because there's a gigantic world being populated here, I'm also open to FF characters who don't appear in KH. I'd rather avoid most Disney, but I'm open to it.
M'key's dragon? Anyone? Bueller?
So here's the part where I beg. I need characters and dragon names for those characters. If you can think of a way to modify their names so that it'll shorten easily, so much the better. You don't really need to know Pern for this—they're pretty simple.
1) Dragon names end in "th". ALWAYS.
2) Male rider names are shortened into an honorific form. "Lytol" becomes "L'tol". So Sora's name, in order to shorten to "S'ora" would have to start out with an extra syllable, such as "Saora".
Suggestion for original names for characters I've already listed would be nice. Really nice. Think "Saora" sounds bad? A pre-rider form for R'oxas is killing me, but his name is going to stay an anagram of Sora+x. It hurts. Do better. Please. If I use it, I'll give you credit in the notes. I might not use it though—a few are already in use and I like them too much to change.
So... any ideas? Don't make me think on my own!
Also, because I'm shameless...Spoiler below! Highlight to read. Dragon names omitted.
ETA: Also, I'm going to be using the Dragonlover's Guide and my extensive book collection as a ref. I know that there's a big bit of flailing about dragon sizes because the books aren't clear (meters? feet? Is Ramoth really the size of a jet?), but that and the Guide are the definitive printed sources I have, and I'm not going to kill myself trying to find out where Anne's retconned away errors in the Atlas or in interviews. I'll take a pic of one of the pieces of art in there and post it later, but in Dragonflight F'lar rode down to the feeding grounds in Mnementh's "hand"—and while he's the largest bronze ever, 45 feet nose-to-tail don't cut it! He'd only be 15 feet at the shoulder! Yes, it's unrealistic, but I'd like to take a moment to introduce nay-sayers to this concept known as fantasy. Ramoth's odd, in a "omg a fire-breathing jet" sort of way. Mnementh's odd in a slightly smaller fire-breathing-jet way. A green would be about a third her size—a small jet.
Ramoth: 65 meters long = 211 feet. About 63 feet at the shoulder (using a scale of 1:3 which seems to held up by the art.)
A normal queen: 60-ish meters long = 195 feet. About 58 feet at the shoulder.
If I figure that the sizes go down by a fifth from there, a normal bronze would be 46 feet, a brown 37 feet, a blue 29 feet and a green 23 feet. This matches up with the Guide's explanation of a dragonlength pretty well, since that's around 20-something meters as defined by the length of a green from nose to tail tip. In laymens terms, the small dragon is four horses tall. The queens have grown five feet every Pass and Interval roughly. An Eighth Pass queen, for example, would have been about 53 feet at the shoulder. (The Oldtimer's dragons were smaller, but not so significantly that it was shocking.) A seventh would have been 48--or the size of a modern bronze. Establish the queen and divide down.
In general... Word of God? Not over here. I know I sound whiny (and I am), but just flipping through webpages is giving me a headache. People keep making Ninth Pass greens sound as though they're only a little bigger than a First Pass gold. Um. No. Because that means a First Pass green would have been roughly the size of a Shetland Pony. Kitti Ping knew she was creating a fighting force—trust that she wouldn't have created part of it to only be useful in four hundred years. Please.
This is supposed to be fun, gais.
(is reminded of why she never poked into the Pern Fandom)
ETA2: Riku's name = pain.
ETA3: I snapped a pic of that image and have uploaded it to Photobucket. This is from page 35 of the Dragonlover's Guide to Pern -- printed in 1989. The caption (if you can't read it) is Relative size: A bronze rider, his dragon, and a queen egg.
Point made, y/y?
I... have a problem. Two, really. (scratches her head) Yes, it's utterly senseless, but here I am.
I need dragon names. o.o; But at the same time, I don't want to give away all the riders. Some of the riders are obvious (wave to S'ora guys), but I'm deluding myself into thinking that a few will be surprises. Also, I'd like a full selection of people on the Hatching grounds—if I don't use them, they can always populate other Weyrs and Holds. They might only be names dropped in passing, but that's the way you create a world. (Someone has to die in Threadfall.) Anyone currently on the Hatching grounds needs to be 12-13 for the boys and 15-16 for the girls, or age-able that way with their contemporaries. There's only one queen egg and I already know who's going to get her, but I need some female riders (Weyrwoman, Queens Wing, etc). It needs to go by normal Pern rules—dragon names end in "th"—and I'd prefer for them to have a vague relation to their rider. There's a lot of leeway, of course.
I also need some older riders (adults) and some mid-ranged teens (14-16) at least one of which will die if there's a sequel, all boys. (Yes, Weyrs are sexist, I know, but unless I jump back to Second Pass or forwards to Ninth it's just going to have to stay that way. I'm not bending history people.) Because there's a gigantic world being populated here, I'm also open to FF characters who don't appear in KH. I'd rather avoid most Disney, but I'm open to it.
M'key's dragon? Anyone? Bueller?
So here's the part where I beg. I need characters and dragon names for those characters. If you can think of a way to modify their names so that it'll shorten easily, so much the better. You don't really need to know Pern for this—they're pretty simple.
1) Dragon names end in "th". ALWAYS.
2) Male rider names are shortened into an honorific form. "Lytol" becomes "L'tol". So Sora's name, in order to shorten to "S'ora" would have to start out with an extra syllable, such as "Saora".
Suggestion for original names for characters I've already listed would be nice. Really nice. Think "Saora" sounds bad? A pre-rider form for R'oxas is killing me, but his name is going to stay an anagram of Sora+x. It hurts. Do better. Please. If I use it, I'll give you credit in the notes. I might not use it though—a few are already in use and I like them too much to change.
So... any ideas? Don't make me think on my own!
Also, because I'm shameless...Spoiler below! Highlight to read. Dragon names omitted.
High Reaches flies Fall today. He's there to support the new Weyrleader—You know they're friends. [SPOILER]'s eyes tinted yellow with alarm as he regarded his rider. Jealousy doesn't look good on you. You go all pasty and squinched up.
"If he wants to pass time with that rogue of a rider, it's all ashes and shards to me," Cl'oud snapped, blushing furiously.
ETA: Also, I'm going to be using the Dragonlover's Guide and my extensive book collection as a ref. I know that there's a big bit of flailing about dragon sizes because the books aren't clear (meters? feet? Is Ramoth really the size of a jet?), but that and the Guide are the definitive printed sources I have, and I'm not going to kill myself trying to find out where Anne's retconned away errors in the Atlas or in interviews. I'll take a pic of one of the pieces of art in there and post it later, but in Dragonflight F'lar rode down to the feeding grounds in Mnementh's "hand"—and while he's the largest bronze ever, 45 feet nose-to-tail don't cut it! He'd only be 15 feet at the shoulder! Yes, it's unrealistic, but I'd like to take a moment to introduce nay-sayers to this concept known as fantasy. Ramoth's odd, in a "omg a fire-breathing jet" sort of way. Mnementh's odd in a slightly smaller fire-breathing-jet way. A green would be about a third her size—a small jet.
Ramoth: 65 meters long = 211 feet. About 63 feet at the shoulder (using a scale of 1:3 which seems to held up by the art.)
A normal queen: 60-ish meters long = 195 feet. About 58 feet at the shoulder.
If I figure that the sizes go down by a fifth from there, a normal bronze would be 46 feet, a brown 37 feet, a blue 29 feet and a green 23 feet. This matches up with the Guide's explanation of a dragonlength pretty well, since that's around 20-something meters as defined by the length of a green from nose to tail tip. In laymens terms, the small dragon is four horses tall. The queens have grown five feet every Pass and Interval roughly. An Eighth Pass queen, for example, would have been about 53 feet at the shoulder. (The Oldtimer's dragons were smaller, but not so significantly that it was shocking.) A seventh would have been 48--or the size of a modern bronze. Establish the queen and divide down.
In general... Word of God? Not over here. I know I sound whiny (and I am), but just flipping through webpages is giving me a headache. People keep making Ninth Pass greens sound as though they're only a little bigger than a First Pass gold. Um. No. Because that means a First Pass green would have been roughly the size of a Shetland Pony. Kitti Ping knew she was creating a fighting force—trust that she wouldn't have created part of it to only be useful in four hundred years. Please.
This is supposed to be fun, gais.
(is reminded of why she never poked into the Pern Fandom)
ETA2: Riku's name = pain.
ETA3: I snapped a pic of that image and have uploaded it to Photobucket. This is from page 35 of the Dragonlover's Guide to Pern -- printed in 1989. The caption (if you can't read it) is Relative size: A bronze rider, his dragon, and a queen egg.
Point made, y/y?
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Date: 2008-07-28 09:00 pm (UTC)It's going to tough to populate an entire planet with just characters that appear in the games, especially with an aversion to Disney. Would it be hard to gank, perhaps, the females who are the Princess of Heart, like Alice and Jasmine? They have definite personality traits and they're from Disney... but if you're attempting to stay within the canon and what's inside the KH games, you get Selphie and Yuffie and Tifa and Aerith and not much else. You did say other FF games.. I'm not familiar with any of those, though. XD You could also choose to perhaps personify the non-human Disney characters like Mickey.. like Chip and Dale and the Genie, if that was necessary. If anything, only to fill up space and still make it seem related to the canon of the games.
So, you want the dragon name to somehow relate to the characters? K, well, here's what my brain has come up with.
M'key= Kingth, Nobleth (haha)
S'ora= Skyth
R'iku= Landth (I'm so original, look at me go!) Or maybe Terrath.
R'oxas= Destinath, Liteth
When you say "relate to" I assume you mean relate to the person, not the name, if that makes any sense. For the Organization you could probably construct a name out of their power or weapon... if Demyx stayed a rider, I'd probably call his dragon Nocturnth, or something similiar (well not that, that name sucks but something like that). I could probably come up with some more gems (cue teh sarcasm) if I knew who exactly would be a rider and whatnot.
Hmm, as for Roxas... Ryoxas? Reoxas? XD
I hope this helped a little!
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Date: 2008-07-29 12:31 am (UTC)@.@ The reason I crossed out the majority of Disney is actually because of the type of characters. They're either animal-types (and I'll have enough problems writing Mickey if he shows up), evil (no villains in this fic) or female--and there's only a small handful of female riders in a single Weyr. If I take someone like Aurora and stick her in the Lower Caverns, people are either going expect her story to parallel her original one or be weirded out that a Princess is scrubbing pots and isn't going to be more. x.X Which is why I'm also raiding Final Fantasy in general.
XD You actually pinned my thoughts on the Organization's dragons--assuming they get them of course. Only A'xel is confirmed (and his dragon was thankfully simple to name via begging
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Date: 2008-07-29 03:02 am (UTC)Lol, so you just want dragon names? Those could be simple! :D I actually like the first name I blurted out for Roxas *files away to save when taking over the universe*.
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Date: 2008-07-29 12:55 pm (UTC)I have three (rough) sets of Weyrleaders. @.@ I'm hoping I won't need more, because way too many characters would make awesome Weyrleaders.
I think that I'm using at least Tidus and Wakka, in addition to the mains. Axel's going to show up because he's everywhere and it'd be easier to introduce him now. I know at least three Lord Holders who haven't been mentioned in fic and probably won't be (though I still have no idea of Ista's and he does show). No idea on Mastercraftsmen. At all. Anywhere.
On the plus side, none of the characters will have anything to do with the Crafthalls or Great Holds for a while. Except possibly the girl who gets the gold, but that's a long story and she's not even a main.
At this point, I think I'm going to end up having to compromise my creative instincts a bit. Dragon names are too much of a mash-up to translate well. (fiddles with them) Gah, I'm hopeless. TL;DR Here's hoping I manage a 1,000 words today. :3