It'll be a while -- RR&R 4 is on page 90, and we still have 3/4th of the outline left to go. I think the salt aliens fic broke us and destroyed our ability to write anything that isn't ridiculously long.
It's become its own straw man, because we can't even agree what we're talking about.
*nods* And all the people currently debating what is or isn't derailing aren't exactly talking about the original issue anymore, either. Though I suspect that's an argument that's been brewing for a while and that this latest meta/linkspam/etc. discussion is just the thing that finally prompted it into boiling over.
I think one thing fandom could use in situations like this, if people want discussions to cover certain topics and not stray from them (or at least not drop the original topic entirely when a new one comes up) is people who are able to redirect the conversation back to where they want it to be, not by going "you guys are derailing from topic X" (because that just shifts the topic to meta-discussion of the ways in which people are talking and not talking about X) but by making further metafandomy posts about X, along the lines of "remember the slash and homophobic stereotypes issue we were all talking about a couple weeks ago? Well I'm not done talking about it yet, and I think that [insert poster's thoughts on yaoi here]."
I've been tempted to make one myself, on slash, becuse I'd really like to see someone, or preferably several someones, spell out exactly what they think the problems with various published m/m novels* are in specific and concrete detail, with individual examples rather than just references to general trends (the way fandom does with race or sexism all the time), but I don't know if I have the emotional strength/reserves to handle the kind of dogpile I might get if people decide that I don't have the right to talk about it or am talking about it in the wrong way.
*I don't feel comfortable encouraging public critique of people's fanfic, but professionally published fiction is a different situation and is, I think, fair game.
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Date: 2010-02-08 08:16 pm (UTC)It's become its own straw man, because we can't even agree what we're talking about.
*nods* And all the people currently debating what is or isn't derailing aren't exactly talking about the original issue anymore, either. Though I suspect that's an argument that's been brewing for a while and that this latest meta/linkspam/etc. discussion is just the thing that finally prompted it into boiling over.
I think one thing fandom could use in situations like this, if people want discussions to cover certain topics and not stray from them (or at least not drop the original topic entirely when a new one comes up) is people who are able to redirect the conversation back to where they want it to be, not by going "you guys are derailing from topic X" (because that just shifts the topic to meta-discussion of the ways in which people are talking and not talking about X) but by making further metafandomy posts about X, along the lines of "remember the slash and homophobic stereotypes issue we were all talking about a couple weeks ago? Well I'm not done talking about it yet, and I think that [insert poster's thoughts on yaoi here]."
I've been tempted to make one myself, on slash, becuse I'd really like to see someone, or preferably several someones, spell out exactly what they think the problems with various published m/m novels* are in specific and concrete detail, with individual examples rather than just references to general trends (the way fandom does with race or sexism all the time), but I don't know if I have the emotional strength/reserves to handle the kind of dogpile I might get if people decide that I don't have the right to talk about it or am talking about it in the wrong way.
*I don't feel comfortable encouraging public critique of people's fanfic, but professionally published fiction is a different situation and is, I think, fair game.