I feel like I should just mention how amusing it is that they still haven't commented to tell me.
I think they don't generally comment until someone's post's actually been included in one of their DW posts. Right now, this one's just listed in the delicious account, and not all of those make the final cut (I don't quite grasp the derailing warnings, really -- if you think a post is going to distract from more important issues, why draw even more attention to it by linking it?).
In the case of not-cisgendered-lesbian-or-gay-man erasure (let's face it, if someone isn't "mainstream" gay, they get ignored), it's important that the conversations happen, even if they're sparked off of something else. There's never a good time to put yourself forward to be noticed, and being told to sit back and wait for a turn is... yeah, rage button is a good term for it.
I'm not sure the same conversational rubric that applies to some other discussions of -isms can be applied to intra-LGBT issues in quite the same way -- because in this case, at least some of the debate is different kinds of queer people arguing with one another, and I don't think that, say, an asexual fan saying "You guys ignore me every time you have one of these discussions and you're doing it again!" or a bisexual fan saying "I am so %&*@ing sick of being told I'm not actually queer" is quite the same thing as a guy going "but when you say that women see all men as Schroedinger's Rapist, you hurt my feelings, because not all men are like that," or the classic "let's turn this discussion of race into a discussion of class," thing.
I have mixed feelings about the debate having morphed into yet another "slasher misogyny" debate, because on some level that is straight girls making it all about themselves and probably is derailing, but misogyny is also a legitimate issue in fandom that also shouldn't be ignored (and it shouldn't necessarily have stopped a m/m fiction and homophobia debate from being able to run parallel to it -- the chromatic casting meme and Magic Under Glass cover discussion were both able to exist at the same time that all of this slash debate's been happening, and I saw some people on my flists be able to successfully participate in two different discussions of poc representation at once, so in an ideal world, we should be able to have two different kinds of discussions of slash at once). I don't think that telling queer women to keep their mouths shut in discussions of LGBTQ issues and slash is beneficial to the discussion, though. When the discussion turns to straight women and misogyny and why aren't people writing het, that shifts the focus from gay men to straight people. When the discussion widens to include queer female slashers and *their* feelings about slash, it's still focussed on LGBTQ people. I don't think that's derailing in the same way.
I would pay good money to see you two write a Harlequin pastiche
I've read enough Harlequin novels that I suspect I could actually write one "straight" (i.e. not a parody). Not with Marvel characters, though - it would have to be parody in that case. It might be kind of fun, though. After we do RR&R 4 and that living armor plotbunny and that Bring Back Jan fic where Dark Reign was set up by Immortus as part of a long-term plot to conquer the timestream, and the Carol & Wanda detective noir pastiche.
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I think they don't generally comment until someone's post's actually been included in one of their DW posts. Right now, this one's just listed in the delicious account, and not all of those make the final cut (I don't quite grasp the derailing warnings, really -- if you think a post is going to distract from more important issues, why draw even more attention to it by linking it?).
In the case of not-cisgendered-lesbian-or-gay-man erasure (let's face it, if someone isn't "mainstream" gay, they get ignored), it's important that the conversations happen, even if they're sparked off of something else. There's never a good time to put yourself forward to be noticed, and being told to sit back and wait for a turn is... yeah, rage button is a good term for it.
I'm not sure the same conversational rubric that applies to some other discussions of -isms can be applied to intra-LGBT issues in quite the same way -- because in this case, at least some of the debate is different kinds of queer people arguing with one another, and I don't think that, say, an asexual fan saying "You guys ignore me every time you have one of these discussions and you're doing it again!" or a bisexual fan saying "I am so %&*@ing sick of being told I'm not actually queer" is quite the same thing as a guy going "but when you say that women see all men as Schroedinger's Rapist, you hurt my feelings, because not all men are like that," or the classic "let's turn this discussion of race into a discussion of class," thing.
I have mixed feelings about the debate having morphed into yet another "slasher misogyny" debate, because on some level that is straight girls making it all about themselves and probably is derailing, but misogyny is also a legitimate issue in fandom that also shouldn't be ignored (and it shouldn't necessarily have stopped a m/m fiction and homophobia debate from being able to run parallel to it -- the chromatic casting meme and Magic Under Glass cover discussion were both able to exist at the same time that all of this slash debate's been happening, and I saw some people on my flists be able to successfully participate in two different discussions of poc representation at once, so in an ideal world, we should be able to have two different kinds of discussions of slash at once). I don't think that telling queer women to keep their mouths shut in discussions of LGBTQ issues and slash is beneficial to the discussion, though. When the discussion turns to straight women and misogyny and why aren't people writing het, that shifts the focus from gay men to straight people. When the discussion widens to include queer female slashers and *their* feelings about slash, it's still focussed on LGBTQ people. I don't think that's derailing in the same way.
I would pay good money to see you two write a Harlequin pastiche
I've read enough Harlequin novels that I suspect I could actually write one "straight" (i.e. not a parody). Not with Marvel characters, though - it would have to be parody in that case. It might be kind of fun, though. After we do RR&R 4 and that living armor plotbunny and that Bring Back Jan fic where Dark Reign was set up by Immortus as part of a long-term plot to conquer the timestream, and the Carol & Wanda detective noir pastiche.